ray winstone
8:47 Wed Oct 19
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Thanks everyone for your kind words, we only found out yesterday so it's still sinking in. This cancer lark is a right cunt.
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AfM
8:35 Wed Oct 19
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East hammer, you misunderstand.
Try to look at what is said rather than who is saying it.
Scientists talking is not the same as seeing what the science says.
The argument from authority is no argument at all when it comes to science
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stomper
4:26 Wed Oct 19
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Ray,
In the spirit of VirginiaHam. I was diagnosed with terminal cancer 3 1/2 years ago. I'm still here.
If you want to contact me and talk feel free to get in touch.
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stomper
4:17 Wed Oct 19
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Ray. I'm so sorry to hear that news. Good luck to you both.
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Cheezey Bell-End
3:43 Wed Oct 19
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I don't fear it in an unhealthy way, but I do think about all the interesting stuff I'll miss.
I'm really more bothered about how it happens.
Not believing in a god or afterlife makes it easier.
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gph
3:12 Wed Oct 19
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I like what Hermann Minkowski, one of Einstein's university teachers, who, like all physicists of the time and after, later learnt a lot from Einstein, had to say about spacetime: “Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality”
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gph
2:37 Wed Oct 19
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Sorry to hear that news, Ray.
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PistonHammered
2:36 Wed Oct 19
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Sesar 2:20 Wed Oct 19
There is no afterlife.
We don´t have a soul that lives on.
We are a living body and then it dies.
Simple.
You tell 'em!
Stop the thread we have the answer!
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gph
2:29 Wed Oct 19
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"Also I am sure as a man of science you are familiar with the Double Slit Experiment and what happens with paired particles when they are observed or not"
Of course I am - last time you (or possibly someone else) put up something like this, I posted something like the comment AfM made this time.
Observation doesn't require a conscious observer.
"and how the effect travels back in time"
You'll have to explain what you mean by this last bit.
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Sesar
2:20 Wed Oct 19
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There is no afterlife.
We don´t have a soul that lives on.
We are a living body and then it dies.
Simple.
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J.Riddle
2:18 Wed Oct 19
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Very sorry Ray to hear that about you and your partner.
A lady I have known for 30 years went to her sisters funeral today, her sister 62 was terminally ill with cancer given a few months to live. The reason I mention this is because the stress of her illness caused her elderly mother to have two heart attacks and her younger brother 49 to also have a heart attack.
It doesn't surprise me, but the stress for loved ones can't be underestimated and anyone going through this should seek any help, support or advice they can. Do take Virginiaham up on his offer as he has sadly experienced what you speak of. All the best.
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gph
2:16 Wed Oct 19
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Just compare what you said Einstein said ("Einstein consider time and space to be illusionary.") and what Einstein said (“Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us … know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”).
The quote says that spacetime has different properties to those we immediately perceive (the illusion in question) - it doesn't say that spacetime itself is an illusion.
You've put the concept (metaphorically, "words") into your head (metaphorically "hat"), shaken it about and pulled out something else entirely.
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easthammer
2:12 Wed Oct 19
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AfM
You wrote
I don't care what one or two scientists think.
I care what the science is. The science is that biocentrism is pseudoscience
You then provide a critique of Lanza's work from two dubious websites the second being written by
Adam Rogers the author of "Proof: The Science of Booze. Science, geekery, puns."
I have already provided a quote from one emminent scientist supporting Lanza
How about I up it to Nobel Prize winner
E Donnall Thomas
Like ‘A Brief History of Time‘ it is indeed stimulating and brings biology into the whole. Any short statement does not do justice to such a scholarly work. Almost every society of mankind has explained the mystery of our surroundings and being by invoking a god or group of gods. Scientists work to acquire objective answers from the infinity of space or the inner machinery of the atom. Lanza proposes a biocentrist theory which ascribes the answer to the observer rather than the observed. The work is a scholarly consideration of science and philosophy that brings biology into the central role in unifying the whole. The book will appeal to an audience of many different disciplines because it is a new way of looking at the old problem of our existence. Most importantly, it makes you think.”
Now if you don't think that is a scientific voice I fear you are a little hard of hearing.
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Mike Oxsaw
1:57 Wed Oct 19
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Willtell 12:00 Mon Oct 17
That whole thing's shrouded in mystery, WT.
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VirginiaHam
1:48 Wed Oct 19
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Hasans Fish Bar RIP 1:04 Wed Oct 19
Ray,
Please feel free to Whomail me; I am willing to share anything that might help you. Send me a huge list of questions and i will answer them all to the best of my ability.
Cheers
Macca
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easthammer
1:20 Wed Oct 19
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Peroni
Sorry for not responding sooner
I don't really want the role of defending Lanza's views and they are not any source of consolation to me. I stated earlier in this thread my belief in an afterlife is based in faith. Science rightly has nothing to say on that. Lanza's views however are not without evidence (albeit disputable - as are other scientific theories String Theory and Multiple Universe theories for example)
For your information however Lanza puts forward an argument/explanation as to why the universe is apparently devoid of life.
The main tennant of his book is that without life there is no universe. Or if you prefer the Universe only exists because there is conscious observation of it. Without observation the Universe is but a set of probabilities. It is us that give it reality. But more than that there are multiple realities including one where you and I agree - highly unlikely I know.
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Hasans Fish Bar RIP
1:04 Wed Oct 19
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Ray/Wayne
I'm truly sorry to hear that news especially as things were on the up. As has been said make sure you remain strong for her. I'm sure you have a lot of people telling you what to do etc but if not why don't you drop VirginiaHam a line (apologies VH if that's out of order to.suggest) as his strength humbled me a lot when he described his experiences.
Coffee. This woman you speak of. Has she considered a dignitas type of place? A friend of a friend had a relative who had early onset Alzheimers and went to Switzerland with the family in tow, discussed it fully beforehand, did the right goodbyes while he could do so compus mentus. Hard on the family but they were with him all the way. Pills on her own would be a.horrible and lonely way to do it surely
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happygilmore
1:00 Wed Oct 19
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Ray,
sorry to hear that.
went through something similar with a sibling..
glad i got to tell them them how much they meant to me, sorry i didn't open up even more.
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AfM
12:54 Wed Oct 19
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No idea what that VB is
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AfM
12:54 Wed Oct 19
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Another decent expose of VB what Lanza gets horribly wrong here
https://www.wired.com/2007/03/robert_lanza_do/
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AfM
12:48 Wed Oct 19
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East hammer,
I don't care what one or two scientists think.
I care what the science is. The science is that biocentrism is pseudoscience
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